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Posted 28 May 2024 - 04:06 PM

View Postfishini, on 28 May 2024 - 02:40 PM, said:

You know that's not what I said. I just asked the person what he'd do. Some things I'd do is remove the need for nurses to go to university and train them on the wards. Just as my wife did. She started as a cadet nurse and worked her way up to eventually becoming a senior nursing officer. She didn't go to university and spent one day a week in the nursing school within the hospital. I would put in place a scheme where a doctor stayed in post for a set number of years, say ten years would have thier university costs cancelled. I would reduce the number of managers and make it the managers remaining would have to have a health background. I would remove car parking fees for staff. I believe these measures would help with recruitment. I would removed the right for doctors to work in the private sector. I would double the cost to the private of using NHS facilities. No NHS patients should go down the pecking order for private patients to jump the queue. Tax payers shouldn't subside the private sector unless the NHS gains from it.


I'd certainly agree with the first one. Why shouldnt nurses pay to park their cars, I have to as do retail workers who work in town centres on much lower salaries and worse pensions..?

If doctors couldnt work in the private sector then they would want even more money from NHS. If NHS didnt rent its facilities to private sector would they be underutilised, after all the NHS doesnt have enough staff to use them 24/7. Private patients pay shed loads of tax to get their private cover if paid for by their company, if they cant get treated quicker how will you replace that tax income?

And only health people can run a health establishment? What about facilities manager? Finance team? maintenance guys? would make a very small pool and so drive salaries even higher and make recruitment even harder...

Most doctors could clear their student debt in 15 years based on their earnings...even at today's extortionate rates. My son has paid his back after 8 years although he only did 4 year course...
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 04:09 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 28 May 2024 - 12:33 PM, said:

My attitude to immigration is perfectly clear

Kenyan Doctor welcome, Australian entrepreneur welcome, American Scientist welcome, Dutch dentist welcome, Canadian banker welcome, Portuguese Nurse welcome, Indian IT specialist welcome, Ghanaian care assistant welcome, Finnish lecturer welcome, French chef welcome, Spanish optician welcome, NHS workers welcome


Boatloads of Islamic males from Islamic war torn 3rd world countries not welcome

Gypsies tramps and thieves from Eastern Europe not welcome


It?s not even controversial


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Posted 28 May 2024 - 04:20 PM

Oh I?d make university courses free for sectors that are crying out for suitable staff

Midwifery for example

But chargeable should they leave the country
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 04:23 PM

Or work as a private midwife
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 04:30 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 28 May 2024 - 04:20 PM, said:

Oh I?d make university courses free for sectors that are crying out for suitable staff

Midwifery for example

But chargeable should they leave the country


Free to Islamic males living in war torn countries and people from Eastern Europe? Or do you have some kind of eugenicsesque insight into what would make for 'suitable staff'
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 06:42 PM

View PostGoku, on 28 May 2024 - 06:55 AM, said:

Do you ever think that you might be hyper focussed, borderline obsessed on one particular issue?


I do know one guy who's hyper sensitive to most issues... unfortunately, it doesn't seem to stretch to eating animals.

View Postfishini, on 28 May 2024 - 10:16 AM, said:

What would you do to reform it and how would you carry it out?


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Posted 28 May 2024 - 06:52 PM

View Postdart in the crossbar, on 28 May 2024 - 04:30 PM, said:

Free to Islamic males living in war torn countries and people from Eastern Europe? Or do you have some kind of eugenicsesque insight into what would make for 'suitable staff'


An Islamic male from Somalia/Syria as a midwife?

Er no I don?t think they?d be suitable staff

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Posted 28 May 2024 - 06:57 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 28 May 2024 - 06:52 PM, said:

An Islamic male from Somalia/Syria as a midwife?

Er no I don?t think they?d be suitable staff


Are you saying men can't be midwives? You really do need that D,E and I training... has your employer got any to offer? Maybe they need to recruit someone :)
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 07:06 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 28 May 2024 - 04:20 PM, said:

Oh I?d make university courses free for sectors that are crying out for suitable staff

Midwifery for example

But chargeable should they leave the country


Yet, Labour (the ones to blame for massaging the unemployment figures by dumbing down the education system, allowing thicktards into university to study pointless courses and, of course, introducing tuition fees) are set to increase tuition fees for all courses. Yet, as bs spin would have it, they previously pledged to scrap tution fees. Hilarious.

Anyone remember E2E?... another Labour gem; another transparant attempt to massage unemployment figures.

Labour....the party of the working class.
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 07:34 PM

View PostMisnomer, on 28 May 2024 - 07:06 PM, said:

Yet, Labour (the ones to blame for massaging the unemployment figures by dumbing down the education system, allowing thicktards into university to study pointless courses and, of course, introducing tuition fees) are set to increase tuition fees for all courses. Yet, as bs spin would have it, they previously pledged to scrap tution fees. Hilarious.

Anyone remember E2E?... another Labour gem; another transparant attempt to massage unemployment figures.

Labour....the party of the working class.


They are the party of business - 121 business leaders have signed a letter dont you know. Well some of them are business leaders, a few are leaders of dormant companies or used to lead businesses...

Couldnt agree more on the uni point - when I was at school about 10% stayed to 6th form and about half of them went to uni. When my daughter was in 6th form, 90% stayed on to 6th form and 90% of them went to uni. All they did was make a degree the expected base qualification...

Read a piece today about apprenticeships and some young lad was saying he was loving his apprentice train driver on ?50k a year... not surprised! But for many people (and my daughter would say she was one of them) on the job learning and getting paid is more appealing than uni studies...
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 07:37 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 28 May 2024 - 07:34 PM, said:

They are the party of business - 121 business leaders have signed a letter dont you know. Well some of them are business leaders, a few are leaders of dormant companies or used to lead businesses...

Couldnt agree more on the uni point - when I was at school about 10% stayed to 6th form and about half of them went to uni. When my daughter was in 6th form, 90% stayed on to 6th form and 90% of them went to uni. All they did was make a degree the expected base qualification...

Read a piece today about apprenticeships and some young lad was saying he was loving his apprentice train driver on ?50k a year... not surprised! But for many people (and my daughter would say she was one of them) on the job learning and getting paid is more appealing than uni studies...

Re the your last sentence, all day everyday, obviously some vocations require an extra level of study but ?learning on the Job? and being paid at the same time is so valuable in experience.
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 08:33 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 28 May 2024 - 06:57 PM, said:

Are you saying men can't be midwives? You really do need that D,E and I training... has your employer got any to offer? Maybe they need to recruit someone :)


Most of our refresher courses mainly are due diligence, avoiding poor title, cars with mileage blockers, used as weekend rental cars while on finance, hpi clear but damage repaired bought via salvage auction, chipped cars

Buy a mapped R8 and you?re ?20k down easily

You wouldn?t believe the potential pitfalls when spending ?1.5m a month of the companies money , you need your wits about you.
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Posted 28 May 2024 - 08:36 PM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 28 May 2024 - 08:33 PM, said:

Most of our refresher courses mainly are due diligence, avoiding poor title, cars with mileage blockers, used as weekend rental cars while on finance, hpi clear but damage repaired bought via salvage auction, chipped cars

Buy a mapped R8 and you?re ?20k down easily

You wouldn?t believe the potential pitfalls when spending ?1.5m a month of the companies money , you need your wits about you.


Of course I would, I've been in business for years and signed contracts for millions with much bigger companies and organisations...

But you still have to know how to deal with people properly these days so as not to put your employer in court due to not treating people according to the law....

Saw a great one today, a lawyer who used the pronoun they posting on LinkedIn about a promotion, first reply by an old school lawyer saying "good man".... some people can be led to the water but they still dont drink...
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 12:14 AM

View PostMisnomer, on 28 May 2024 - 06:42 PM, said:

I do know one guy who's hyper sensitive to most issues... unfortunately, it doesn't seem to stretch to eating animals.



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Seems only moronic cretins like you are bothered what I believe. As I haven't mentioned it in years.
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 07:26 AM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 28 May 2024 - 03:42 PM, said:

So let?s get this right- you?re all for immigration if it helps the country?




Yes, if it helps the country, properly vetted with background checks, talented workers

I know no one who would disagree with that, even the ?far right?

Just no cultural enrichment from 10s of 1000s of unskilled IMFWTC without papers please
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 08:04 AM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 29 May 2024 - 07:26 AM, said:

Yes, if it helps the country, properly vetted with background checks, talented workers

I know no one who would disagree with that, even the ?far right?

Just no cultural enrichment from 10s of 1000s of unskilled IMFWTC without papers please


What about the (white) unskilled IMFTWC (I?ve no idea what that means) that live in dodgy estates around this green and pleasant.
What would you do with them?
Send them to Somalia presumably?
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 08:12 AM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 29 May 2024 - 08:04 AM, said:

What about the (white) unskilled IMFTWC (I?ve no idea what that means) that live in dodgy estates around this green and pleasant.
What would you do with them?
Send them to Somalia presumably?



I?ll attempt to debate serious points and ignore the rest
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 08:24 AM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 29 May 2024 - 08:12 AM, said:

I?ll attempt to debate serious points and ignore the rest


IMFWTC - that doesn?t fit
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 08:43 AM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 29 May 2024 - 07:26 AM, said:

Yes, if it helps the country, properly vetted with background checks, talented workers

I know no one who would disagree with that, even the ?far right?

Just no cultural enrichment from 10s of 1000s of unskilled IMFWTC without papers please


This really is some sorta turnaround for you.

Accepting Islam is compatible with western society after all these years insisting otherwise.

So now perhaps we can have a conversation over how we discover who does and doesn't fulfil your criteria if they're simply trafficked to Rwanda on arrival....?
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Posted 29 May 2024 - 09:05 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 29 May 2024 - 08:43 AM, said:

This really is some sorta turnaround for you.

Accepting Islam is compatible with western society after all these years insisting otherwise.

So now perhaps we can have a conversation over how we discover who does and doesn't fulfil your criteria if they're simply trafficked to Rwanda on arrival....?



https://www.independ...r-a6954796.html

98% arrivals on boats have no ID or paperwork so perhaps we can look at the 2% who do


https://metro.co.uk/...s-10504459/amp/


https://amp.theguard.../religion-islam




Here?s a cracker


https://amp.theguard...y-homosexuality

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