General Election It Is Then...
#581
Posted 18 June 2024 - 06:54 PM
https://www.mirror.c...etting-33053250
But surely the question must be why so many "loons, fruit cakes and racists (© David Cameron but without the increasingly redundant "closet" bit), not to mention Nazi apologists and 'friends' of a fascist are attracted to his party....?
And PS: isn't it a bit hypocritical to criticise them when he's spent so long associating with some pretty questionable characters himself...
https://www.politico...-conspiracists/
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=9lzJ_8hC-yE
https://www.standard...d-a3813886.html
#582
Posted 18 June 2024 - 06:58 PM
The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 June 2024 - 06:54 PM, said:
https://www.mirror.c...etting-33053250
But surely the question must be why so many "loons, fruit cakes and racists (© David Cameron but without the increasingly redundant "closet" bit), not to mention Nazi apologists and 'friends' of a fascist are attracted to his party....?
And PS: isn't it a bit hypocritical to criticise them when he's spent so long associating with some pretty questionable characters himself...
https://www.politico...-conspiracists/
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=9lzJ_8hC-yE
https://www.standard...d-a3813886.html
Woah woah, Farage was the bastion of honesty yesterday when it suited, today he?s back to being the pariah. And quoting Cameron?
Love it! You arnt half selective how and when it suits my friend.
This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 18 June 2024 - 07:05 PM
#583
Posted 18 June 2024 - 07:02 PM
Blue5, on 18 June 2024 - 06:35 PM, said:
Those who work, contribute and manage to save are sitting ducks for any political party.
My inlaws had 6 kids, he worked at the pit, she was a dinner lady, but they were very careful with money, mortgage paid off by 40, never borrowed, and always had a bit put by for an emergency. Never has there been a better definition of a labour supporting working bloke... except to Starmer it seems... You dont need to be in the top x percentile to have a few quid saved, its what everyone should do...
At least it now confirms that no one in the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet will be a working person
The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 June 2024 - 06:54 PM, said:
https://www.mirror.c...etting-33053250
But surely the question must be why so many "loons, fruit cakes and racists (© David Cameron but without the increasingly redundant "closet" bit), not to mention Nazi apologists and 'friends' of a fascist are attracted to his party....?
And PS: isn't it a bit hypocritical to criticise them when he's spent so long associating with some pretty questionable characters himself...
https://www.politico...-conspiracists/
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=9lzJ_8hC-yE
https://www.standard...d-a3813886.html
still criticising the others rather than responding to criticism of your party Chris, come on, you wanted a debate, what do you reckon to Starmers comments on working people...?
I mean we have to talk about that as they wont tell us any policies...
#584
Posted 18 June 2024 - 07:19 PM
isleaiw1, on 18 June 2024 - 07:02 PM, said:
At least it now confirms that no one in the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet will be a working person
still criticising the others rather than responding to criticism of your party Chris, come on, you wanted a debate, what do you reckon to Starmers comments on working people...?
I mean we have to talk about that as they wont tell us any policies...
Ian, mate; most folks' idea of debate is posting relevant points which're then discussed.
Your idea is making any and every exchange immediately about Labour.
As has been so painfully proven on this very thread.
But if you think that's more important than a bloke sharing platforms with self admitted racists and school shooting deniers, or his party being peppered with 'friends' of fascists and Nazi apologists then hey, be my guest...
This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 18 June 2024 - 07:20 PM
#585
Posted 18 June 2024 - 07:19 PM
isleaiw1, on 18 June 2024 - 07:02 PM, said:
Indeed and they should be encouraged, not penalised for it.
#586
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:17 PM
Mr Mercury, on 18 June 2024 - 06:58 PM, said:
Love it! You arnt half selective how and when it suits my friend.
As are you. You are no different even if you believe yourself a bastion of vitue
SAVE A LIFE
#587
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:20 PM
Mr Mercury, on 18 June 2024 - 06:21 PM, said:
I await the next 5 years with trepidation.
Maybe,maybe not time will tell. However what we do know is the last 14 years have been an unmitigated catastrophe mixed with lies and corruption even if you won't admit it
SAVE A LIFE
#588
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:27 PM
The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 June 2024 - 07:19 PM, said:
Your idea is making any and every exchange immediately about Labour.
As has been so painfully proven on this very thread.
But if you think that's more important than a bloke sharing platforms with self admitted racists and school shooting deniers, or his party being peppered with 'friends' of fascists and Nazi apologists then hey, be my guest...
I asked a question about Starmer's comments today which you have ignored to talk about Farage - who will be the leader of a party with maybe 3 seats after the election (until he decides not to be again)..
So yes, debate is posting a view which is discussed not ignored. Thanks for agreeing.
Reform have some good policies but they dont figure on my radar, they wont win and they are obviously peppered with racists and oddities - extremes at both sides will be. But at least they have some policies to talk about
#589
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:29 PM
fishini, on 18 June 2024 - 08:17 PM, said:
But I admit that and don?t try to climb the high, virtue signalling, horse.
BTW, If you have savings you arn’t a working man, According to Starmer , what are your opinions of that?
This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 18 June 2024 - 08:51 PM
#590
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:30 PM
fishini, on 18 June 2024 - 08:20 PM, said:
I mean if we've had 14 years of uselessness, what difference will another 5 make..? Am I the only one who would like there to be an option that actually sought to make a real difference to some of the disasters that are ahead if we dont do something about it now...
But no, more tinkering round the edges, more squeezing in to the same small square on policies - well at least those they will tell us about now. Maybe the radical bit is in the bit they arent saying....
#591
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:32 PM
fishini, on 18 June 2024 - 08:20 PM, said:
Are you excited by the next Labour government, like we all were in ?97? Mind you war monger Blair sucked us all in then, just as secretive tax rise Starmer appears to be sucking most in now. Some of us have wised up!
#592
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:35 PM
What an out of touch leader of Labour he is!
#593
Posted 18 June 2024 - 08:37 PM
fishini, on 18 June 2024 - 08:20 PM, said:
Do working people have savings?
Fingers in ears time for the hard, virtue signalling, left.
This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 18 June 2024 - 08:52 PM
#594
Posted 19 June 2024 - 01:13 AM
Mr Mercury, on 18 June 2024 - 08:35 PM, said:
What an out of touch leader of Labour he is!
In all fairness, the rampant inflation of the last few years has meant people have had to use savings to plug shortfalls or left no ?wiggle room? so repairs to cars, holidays, a new settee, a new cooker etc came out of savings so there?s a large element of truth in what SKS SAYS
ANfriend at work had his fixed mortgage end just at the wrong time and his payment e doubled overnight. He had to re mortgage from 15 years left back to 25. Just to meet the payment terms
#595
Posted 19 June 2024 - 06:19 AM
isleaiw1, on 18 June 2024 - 08:30 PM, said:
But no, more tinkering round the edges, more squeezing in to the same small square on policies - well at least those they will tell us about now. Maybe the radical bit is in the bit they arent saying....
If Labour get a decent majority things will get done. The NHS was created by Labour and more recently A/E 4 hour waiting time. The Tories just destroy everything. As in the pandemic Cameron texted Sunak -Nows the time to coin it.
#596
Posted 19 June 2024 - 07:36 AM
joe, on 19 June 2024 - 06:19 AM, said:
What will get done? we have an ageing population, improved medical procedures and treatments, fewer people economically active, already very hogh tax take from business and those on higher incomes, the expected spend on the NHS and pensions will balloon. And Labour will do what? devolve a bit more power to mayors, allow a few more houses to be built and create another govt body in the energy company, and growth will finance everything - well that they are talking about so far...
Growth will be better over the next 5 years - inflation is back at target today, productivity will increase as firms will need it to to pay higher interest rates which wont go back to below 1%. But I see nothing in what they are saying that will move the dial - except we will spend more on the NHS (into the black hole it goes, to what effect who knows) and somehow we will magic up new teachers and PCSOs despite doing nothing to make the jobs more attractive... but more spending means more tax so just the govt deciding where its spent rather than individuals...
So the next 5 years should be better than the last - no Covid, no shock of a war in Europe - but will it be as good as it could be and will it set us up for the5 years after....?
#597
Posted 19 June 2024 - 08:13 AM
#598
Posted 19 June 2024 - 08:29 AM
HistoricWarwick, on 19 June 2024 - 08:13 AM, said:
he is the one that seems to say the most sensible things. Does experiences just mean they know how to play politics and say nothing and achieve nothing?
#599
Posted 19 June 2024 - 09:21 AM
He needs to stop those boats though
#600
Posted 19 June 2024 - 06:56 PM
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=Rp1n7tzFCCE
And again...
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=IBr2CojKYbg
Now time for 'Reform' folk to look away...
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=LwIa70EDZjE