[Westbars Spireite]

 Mr Mercury, on 01 July 2024 - 08:08 PM, said:

I thought he did a good job.

Haha, good one.

[Mr Mercury]

Westbars Spireite, on 01 July 2024 - 08:59 PM, said:

Haha, good one.

Felled by a glass of fine red..I feel for him.
Starmers bottle of faux foreign beer was ok though?.
Bygone arguments?.sigh?.

[fishini]

 Mr Mercury, on 01 July 2024 - 08:08 PM, said:

I thought he did a good job.

Even his lying including the queen? That was a good job in your eyes then. Trying to change the rules of parliament to protect his mate, that was a good job too. Putting a russian mate of Putin into the lord's that also was a good job. These are just a few good jobs he carried out

[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 01 July 2024 - 09:21 PM, said:

Even his lying including the queen? That was a good job in your eyes then. Trying to change the rules of parliament to protect his mate, that was a good job too. Putting a russian mate of Putin into the lord's that also was a good job. These are just a few good jobs he carried out

Apologies if we disagree, but yes, I thought he did a good job. Pi..ssed all over the EU with the covid jab, took the lead role for the West in support for Ukraine .
He did a good job. I?m happy with my support of him, and feel no need whatsoever to apologise for playing my part in voting him in. I can?t believe I was asked to do that ..what a load of guff asking that!

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 01 July 2024 - 05:47 PM, said:

I want to see the end of zero hour contracts. Carers save the country billions so I want to see the end of the stupid rule that once carers reach retirement age they lose the carers allowance. I want to see all workers on a wage that allows them to live not just exist. I want adoption to be simplified. I want to see sure start operating again. I want to see SEN schools given proper funding on parr with the rest of the schools. I want to see the end of corruption in government. I want to see the house of lords halved and the end of hereditary peers. All pie in the sky though

Are you going to fund it all with economic growth aka the magic money tree...?

We can all have a wish list, I have one too, but if you cant afford it, you cant have it....

[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 01 July 2024 - 05:47 PM, said:

I want to see the end of zero hour contracts. Carers save the country billions so I want to see the end of the stupid rule that once carers reach retirement age they lose the carers allowance. I want to see all workers on a wage that allows them to live not just exist. I want adoption to be simplified. I want to see sure start operating again. I want to see SEN schools given proper funding on parr with the rest of the schools. I want to see the end of corruption in government. I want to see the house of lords halved and the end of hereditary peers. All pie in the sky though

Fine words my friend, but what are your thoughts on illegal immigration and how that affects the ability to finance all of the above and the saturation of numbers of the above?

[calvin plummers socks]

 Mr Mercury, on 01 July 2024 - 09:46 PM, said:

Fine words my friend, but what are your thoughts on illegal immigration and how that affects the ability to finance all of the above and the saturation of numbers of the above?

Maybe the trash Tory government should have had a plan then (instead of the stupid Rwanda bollox)

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

A quick fact check tells us it wasn't 'Partygate' that finally ousted the utterly discredited 'Boris the Liar'.

Though his lies denying Downing Street becoming the most fined workplace in Britain earned him a ninety day suspension. Which he then ran from rather than face either the House or his constituents, of course.

No, it was more lies surrounding the known sex predator Pincher he appointed which eventually saw sixty-plus cabinet members quit rather than continue lying for him.

It could also quite easily be argued the old adage about not fooling all the people, all the time came into play. An entitled egotist believing he could do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted - after a lifetime doing exactly that - finding he could only get away with his likeable buffoon routine for so long.

Obviously there'll be cultists, as with Trump or Farage or even Corbyn, who'll refuse to ever accept they were wrong. Thankfully the 'will of the people' is different...

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

'Bob's Board' quiz time.

Place the following in order of impact on the UK economy:

Brexit.

Liz Truss's 'Kwar Crash' budget.

Asylum seekers...

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 05:59 AM, said:

'Bob's Board' quiz time.

Place the following in order of impact on the UK economy:

Brexit.

Liz Truss's 'Kwar Crash' budget.

Asylum seekers...

Can we add Blair's PFI deals, Blairs "make benefits pay" approach...?

And soon to add the Labour tax hikes and tax and spend policies...?

Asylum seekers will be needed soon to add workers to a nation that have too many old people costing money, too many economically inactive people costing money, and too few workers paying money in...

Happy days.

[s42blue]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 05:59 AM, said:

'Bob's Board' quiz time.

Place the following in order of impact on the UK economy:

Brexit.

Liz Truss's 'Kwar Crash' budget.

Asylum seekers...

Might as well add

Ukraine war effect on global energy prices

Global pandemic

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

No, sorry, no whataboutery, just a straightforward answer to a straightforward question, please...

[s42blue]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 07:39 AM, said:

No, sorry, no whataboutery, just a straightforward answer to a straightforward question, please...

😂 bit rich tbh. But Ive asked for the same , so fairs fair. You gotta remember youll be asked the same at some stage (not necessarily by me)

Brexit. Truss. Immigration.

What now?

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 s42blue, on 02 July 2024 - 08:08 AM, said:

😂 bit rich tbh. But Ive asked for the same , so fairs fair. You gotta remember youll be asked the same at some stage (not necessarily by me)

Brexit. Truss. Immigration.

What now?

Thank you.

Right answer.

And yeah, precedent set.

Well, amongst those prepared to adopt your honesty, anyway.

What now?

Let's see how many others have the same integrity...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

So SKS says he puts aside Friday evenings to observe the Jewish Sabbath with his wife, kids and family.

At which point the same characters who championed the adulterer Boris the Liar who spent much of his tenure on one jolly or another - infamously dodging COBRA meetings to write a book or canoodle with his latest partner as Covid swept towards the UK - shriek all kindsa indignation.

So much for the so called 'party of family values'...

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 08:39 AM, said:

Thank you.

Right answer.

And yeah, precedent set.

Well, amongst those prepared to adopt your honesty, anyway.

What now?

Let's see how many others have the same integrity...

Who says its the right answer? I think I read that most people now say the Truss experiment isnt affecting the economy, our growth rates are higher than most of EU this year so can we blame Brexit for that.... and the govt spending on asylum seekers works its way into the economy and employment for those serving them so maybe it also grows the economy...

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 09:07 AM, said:

So SKS says he puts aside Friday evenings to observe the Jewish Sabbath with his wife, kids and family.

At which point the same characters who championed the adulterer Boris the Liar who spent much of his tenure on one jolly or another - infamously dodging COBRA meetings to write a book or canoodle with his latest partner as Covid swept towards the UK - shriek all kindsa indignation.

So much for the so called 'party of family values'...

Ignoring the fact that I thought name calling was childish and should be frowned upon, I think the issue is that many of us have to be on call in our own time as part of the job, even junior or middle managers in hospitality - so for the PM to think he should be able to knock off at pm every Friday is a bit optimistic, naive, simplistic.... I mean what if a G7 summit or COP meeting runs over a Friday eve?

Wonder if he would miss the Friday family time to watch his beloved footie team?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 isleaiw1, on 02 July 2024 - 09:28 AM, said:

Who says its the right answer? I think I read that most people now say the Truss experiment isnt affecting the economy, our growth rates are higher than most of EU this year so can we blame Brexit for that.... and the govt spending on asylum seekers works its way into the economy and employment for those serving them so maybe it also grows the economy...

The ONS and Sunak's former employer say it's the right answer, Ian.

Reporting Brexit hit the UK economy to the tune of between four and five percent.

In the same way "I think I read that most people" believe Truss's 'Kwar crash' caused between thirty and fifty billions' worth of damage.

And that's without talking about the millions paying hundreds more a month on their mortgage.

Then of course you yourself admitted immigration actually benefits the country...

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 09:38 AM, said:

The ONS and Sunak's former employer say it's the right answer, Ian.

Reporting Brexit hit the UK economy to the tune of between four and five percent.

In the same way "I think I read that most people" believe Truss's 'Kwar crash' caused between thirty and fifty billions' worth of damage.

And that's without talking about the millions paying hundreds more a month on their mortgage.

Then of course you yourself admitted immigration actually benefits the country...

Interesting that you criticise the Truss budget yet she was looking for the Labour nirvana of growth and Labour has historically run unfunded budget deficits....

As for Brexit, we are growing faster than EU countries now so when do we stop measuring the impact?

And the ?250bn loss on PFI contracts, where does that rate? sounds like we will be having a few more of those too, have they not learned the lesson?
And yes, big believer that a growing economy needs a growing workforce and ours will be shrinking without immigration...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 isleaiw1, on 02 July 2024 - 10:13 AM, said:

Interesting that you criticise the Truss budget yet she was looking for the Labour nirvana of growth and Labour has historically run unfunded budget deficits....

As for Brexit, we are growing faster than EU countries now so when do we stop measuring the impact?

And the ?250bn loss on PFI contracts, where does that rate? sounds like we will be having a few more of those too, have they not learned the lesson?
And yes, big believer that a growing economy needs a growing workforce and ours will be shrinking without immigration...

A simple question requiring a simple answer.

Yet here we go again.

Whataboutery ignoring official government numbers or ones from the Goldman Sachs previously employing Sunak, and your very own words.

Not to mention playing the Mail-esque media's game of twisting and turning Starmer's family values into some sort of dereliction.

The same characters who repeatedly patted Boris the Liar on the back.

But hey, after your desperation to smear Angie Raynor for summat she didn't do...