[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 10:26 AM, said:

A simple question requiring a simple answer.

Yet here we go again.

Whataboutery ignoring official government numbers or ones from the Goldman Sachs previously employing Sunak, and your very own words.

Not to mention playing the Mail-esque media's game of twisting and turning Starmer's family values into some sort of dereliction.

The same characters who repeatedly patted Boris the Liar on the back.

But hey, after your desperation to smear Angie Raynor for summat she didn't do...

I will admit to being intrigued that you only picked items that suited your agenda, should have just thrown a load of stuff in there for the comparison, would have been more fun.

I have never praised Boris (I'll not use childish names) on the back, in fact my consistent comments is he has been sacked from every job possible and shouldnt have been near the PM job....

As for SKS, I admire his desire but I think it is naive and simple to think he can do it and still do the job properly.

I never read that Angie had found a way to have two PPRs... I suspect she found a way to fill in her CGT form a few years late to show no tax payable. Otherwise she would be publishing her tax advice so that we can all have 2 PPRs (and I did apologise... something in short supply on here from those best at dishing out insults)

[Wooden Spoon]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 07:39 AM, said:

No, sorry, no whataboutery, just a straightforward answer to a straightforward question, please...

It?s not a straight forward question though it?s a loaded one that has not accounted for all economic influences.

Damn predictive text
Just say immigrants are not the biggest economic factor

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[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 05:59 AM, said:

'Bob's Board' quiz time.

Place the following in order of impact on the UK economy:

Brexit.

Liz Truss's 'Kwar Crash' budget.

Asylum seekers...

Asylum Seekers third I imagine

Are you suggesting it doesn?t matter how many come or how much they cost the taxpayer because it?s less than the others on the list?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Wooden Spoon, on 02 July 2024 - 11:53 AM, said:

It?s not a straight forward question though it?s a loaded one that has not accounted for all economic influences.

Damn predictive text
Just say immigrants are not the biggest economic factor

It's both.

Demonstrating the absurd dishonesty of those who applauded Brexit and Truss loudest - Farage and the Mail-esque media - now blaming asylum seekers for financial constraints.

You, I and every informed person knows what that's about.

And where it leads...

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[Spire-ite]

isleaiw1, on 02 July 2024 - 06:12 AM, said:

Can we add Blair's PFI deals, Blairs "make benefits pay" approach...?

And soon to add the Labour tax hikes and tax and spend policies...?

Asylum seekers will be needed soon to add workers to a nation that have too many old people costing money, too many economically inactive people costing money, and too few workers paying money in...

Happy days.

Top Trump is Gordon Browns HS2....

[s42blue]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGesUNpx3/

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 01:00 PM, said:

It's both.

Demonstrating the absurd dishonesty of those who applauded Brexit and Truss loudest - Farage and the Mail-esque media - now blaming asylum seekers for financial constraints.

You, I and every informed person knows what that's about.

And where it leads...

So illegal immigration isn?t putting an enormous amount of financial strain on not only the government financially but local services and reducing some local services in certain areas to breaking point?
Let?s see how Starmers new border task force works with taking control of our borders.

[Search & Destroy]

Dunno having thought about it

What does an illegal migrant cost per day?

?200?

Times that by 365 and times that by 5 years and times that by 100000

Add in legal fees, border force here and in France

Add in NHS costs, schooling, interpreters, prisons and we have a very big number.

[isleaiw1]

Search & Destroy, on 02 July 2024 - 03:22 PM, said:

Dunno having thought about it

What does an illegal migrant cost per day?

?200?

Times that by 365 and times that by 5 years and times that by 100000

Add in legal fees, border force here and in France

Add in NHS costs, schooling, interpreters, prisons and we have a very big number.

More like 100 - shared room, basic food, very small cash allowance.

[Search & Destroy]

isleaiw1, on 02 July 2024 - 03:27 PM, said:

More like 100 - shared room, basic food, very small cash allowance.

100 then that?s 35k a year

379 in the last 3 days

35000 x 379 is over 13 million

That?s 3 days worth if they stay for a year, for 5 years worth staying 5 years you?d need a much bigger calculator

Plus the add ins I mentioned

EOC thought he was asking a rhetorical question, I like to see his workings out.

[calvin plummers socks]

 Mr Mercury, on 02 July 2024 - 03:14 PM, said:

So illegal immigration isn?t putting an enormous amount of financial strain on not only the government financially but local services and reducing some local services in certain areas to breaking point?
Let?s see how Starmers new border task force works with taking control of our borders.

Impossible to do worse than the Tory scums

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Well things have gone from cringeworthy to downright hysterical, as the tories and their massed ranks of media mates work themselves into a foam mouthed frenzy over Sir Kier's family values.

First we had Maria Caulfield having to be interrupted and corrected as she peddled a bare faced lie this morning: https://news.sky.com...ridays-13162202

Then there was the already ridiculous Grant Shapps (or at least I think that's the name he's using this week) making himself an even greater laughing stock on social media: https://www.mirror.c...e-tory-33151468

All whilst Greg Hands - who famously failed to even mention the party of which he used to be chair on his election leaflets - might as well have donned a big, shiny red nose as he posted 'What happens if Putin invades at one minute past six?'.

But of course none of this deranged gibberish was on display when Cameron told the press he and his wife retained Wednesday evenings as 'date night' whilst in Number Ten.

As there was a similar silence when Teresa May declared herself unavailable on Saturday mornings (shopping and gym) and Sundays (church).

Meanwhile the notoriously elusive Boris the Liar's tenure seemed a succession of secretly funded jollies and weeks when working UNTIL six o'clock Friday spiralled eyebrows and dropped jaws (though hey, maybe that amount of absence was necessary to spend time with his countless offspring).

No worries though as the PM elect has at least one ally in the soon to be decimated blue ranks - the Rishi Sunak who recently applauded his work-life balance in an LBC interview...

[Holmesc1]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 04:44 PM, said:

Well things have gone from cringeworthy to downright hysterical, as the tories and their massed ranks of media mates work themselves into a foam mouthed frenzy over Sir Kier's family values.

First we had Maria Caulfield having to be interrupted and corrected as she peddled a bare faced lie this morning: https://news.sky.com...ridays-13162202

Then there was the already ridiculous Grant Shapps (or at least I think that's the name he's using this week) making himself an even greater laughing stock on social media: https://www.mirror.c...e-tory-33151468

All whilst Greg Hands - who famously failed to even mention the party of which he used to be chair on his election leaflets - might as well have donned a big, shiny red nose as he posted 'What happens if Putin invades at one minute past six?'.

But of course none of this deranged gibberish was on display when Cameron told the press he and his wife retained Wednesday evenings as 'date night' whilst in Number Ten.

As there was a similar silence when Teresa May declared herself unavailable on Saturday mornings (shopping and gym) and Sundays (church).

Meanwhile the notoriously elusive Boris the Liar's tenure seemed a succession of secretly funded jollies and weeks when working UNTIL six o'clock Friday spiralled eyebrows and dropped jaws (though hey, maybe that amount of absence was necessary to spend time with his countless offspring).

No worries though as the PM elect has at least one ally in the soon to be decimated blue ranks - the Rishi Sunak who recently applauded his work-life balance in an LBC interview...

You seem to think labour have won the election already ha ha

[Middle East]

Holmesc1, on 02 July 2024 - 05:50 PM, said:

You seem to think labour have won the election already ha ha

Only 3 days before thats a fact...ha ha ha

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[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 04:44 PM, said:

Well things have gone from cringeworthy to downright hysterical, as the tories and their massed ranks of media mates work themselves into a foam mouthed frenzy over Sir Kier's family values.

First we had Maria Caulfield having to be interrupted and corrected as she peddled a bare faced lie this morning: https://news.sky.com...ridays-13162202

Then there was the already ridiculous Grant Shapps (or at least I think that's the name he's using this week) making himself an even greater laughing stock on social media: https://www.mirror.c...e-tory-33151468

All whilst Greg Hands - who famously failed to even mention the party of which he used to be chair on his election leaflets - might as well have donned a big, shiny red nose as he posted 'What happens if Putin invades at one minute past six?'.

But of course none of this deranged gibberish was on display when Cameron told the press he and his wife retained Wednesday evenings as 'date night' whilst in Number Ten.

As there was a similar silence when Teresa May declared herself unavailable on Saturday mornings (shopping and gym) and Sundays (church).

Meanwhile the notoriously elusive Boris the Liar's tenure seemed a succession of secretly funded jollies and weeks when working UNTIL six o'clock Friday spiralled eyebrows and dropped jaws (though hey, maybe that amount of absence was necessary to spend time with his countless offspring).

No worries though as the PM elect has at least one ally in the soon to be decimated blue ranks - the Rishi Sunak who recently applauded his work-life balance in an LBC interview...

Lots of links to that bastion of unbiased reporting, The Mirror....

And none to the latest opinion poll which shows Labour lead down 4 points as we get to the sharp end... and reform support falling....

On a different note, I was amazed to see that Reform are popular among 16 to 18 year olds, and as popular as Labour amongst boys. Whereas their support amongst girls was pretty much zero.... @goku, thoughts on that one?

On the Starmer front, he is right to say that he will try to have family time... but as always when some facts come out they are jumped upon as its so unusual to get any facts from them!

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 July 2024 - 04:44 PM, said:

But of course none of this deranged gibberish was on display when Cameron told the press he and his wife retained Wednesday evenings as 'date night' whilst in Number Ten.

I wonder which night he set aside to inspect Baroness Mone's lingerie?

[isleaiw1]

?76k of hospitality accepted during the last parliament - mainly at football matches, concerts, clothes and specs it seems. No its not some grubby Tory taking what he can for free, this is SKS. Presumably none of those events were a Friday night

PS Chirs, I know Boris did worse, but I'm just posting this as you seem to have forgotten to be outraged about this one...